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I could not say it better myself, Franklin Graham!

Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:54 PM EST
politics, of, and, church, state, separation, graham, franklin
By c f jackson
No, I did not say I have agreement with Mr. Graham. And, while searching for information as to whether or not Franklin Graham pays taxes, I found the following piece and am posting here for your perusal. It comes from a site named Jesus is not a Republican. I could not determine the author's name but the words ring so true. 
Franklin Graham (Redux)

 

 

I hate to dwell on one topic, but the more distance I put between myself and seeing the interview of Franklin Graham live on "Morning Joe" yesterday and immediately reporting on it, the more irritated I become. The clip wasn't available to review before I posted about it, so nuance was lost between refilling my coffee and giving my dog Jack a treat, and writing about it. I'm irate because I missed some key points, but mostly because of how a man of such dangerous, albeit, soft-spoken mendacity can call himself a man of God. In retrospect and after reviewing the clip, it is clear that every word Graham uttered was calculated. Thankfully, the panel members were on their respective games and ruffled him up a bit and ultimately exposed his hypocrisy (the double-standard by which he judged the faith of Obama vs. the Republican candidates’, especially Santorum). But there was more than a little hypocrisy at work. In the interest of not writing 5,000 words on this topic, I would urge readers to watch the clip for context if you haven’t already. 

What Graham was trying to do was raise doubts about President Obama’s very legitimacy, and, just as mendaciously, about where his loyalties lie. Graham blatantly questioned the President’s faith in the context of implying that he was a closet Muslim that valued the lives of Muslims over the Christians and the Jews. He did this by slyly stating that if you are born of a Muslim father, the “Islamic World views you as a son of Islam” and a de facto Muslim, which turns out to be categorically false. To be clear, there is nothing wrong with being Muslim. Unfortunately, many would disagree and just by implying that the President is Muslim would be enough to cause a substantial stir in the populace. But Graham went further than that, and essentially stated that the President was allowing the slaughter of Christian minorities by radical Islamists in the Middle East. So now, according Graham’s words, the President is a Christian hating Muslim. To top it off, Graham questioned the President’s loyalty to Israel (while stating that the Egyptians would have been better off remaining under the rule of a brutal, right-wing, dictator than they are now). This guy bashes President Obama with more efficacy than the RNC Chair. Why didn’t he just come right and say it: “Obama is a terrorist!” I guess that would immediately blow his cover and make him a less effective mouthpiece for the GOP. Franklin Graham is clearly not his father’s son. 

While I agree that Jesus is not a Republican, I can surely see that Franklin Graham is!. Couple that with Mr. Graham's need for publicity, his *ODS can accomplish that in many circles. How many of you knew Billy had a son? Billy Graham took pains to keep his political views to himself. His son seems to prefer the opposite approach! Pity!

 

*ODS- Obama Derangement Syndrome.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:35 PM EST
larry ling

c f jackson I can agree with what you are saying about Franklins insinuations and comments, but you are apparently unaware about Billy Graham who did insert himself into politics and was a closet racist and a secret anti semite. Ah... the Hypocrisy of the Christian Right ! Read the below excerpt from an article appearing in The Insider magazine "The Christian Mafia" and where it wants to take us. It sorta proves that the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

The Nixon tapes reveal that in 1972, Nixon, Graham, and H.R. Haldeman had a conversation in the Oval Office in which the Jews were targets:

Graham: “This [Jewish] stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain.”

Nixon: “You believe that?”

Graham: “Yes, sir.”

Nixon: “Oh, boy.” So do I. I can’t ever say that but I believe it.”

Graham: “No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something.”

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Graham: “By the way, Hedley Donovan has invited me to have lunch with [the Time Magazine] editors.”

Haldeman: “You better take your Jewish beanie.”

Graham: “Is that right? I don’t know any of them now . . .A lot of Jews are great friends of mine . . .They swarm around me and are friendly with me because they know that I’m friendly with Israel. But they don’t know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country.”

Nixon: “You must not let them know.”

The tapes reveal the inconsistencies of the Fellowship. On one hand, their Nazi and Fascist past and tendencies make it seem unlikely that they would be supportive of Israel. Yet, support for Israel is not only something advocated by Graham but also by the shock troops for today’s fundamentalist movement, the so-called “Christian Zionist” wing of the Fellowship.

source to link: http://insider-magazine.org/christianmafia.htm

If Franklin's comments pissed you off, read the entire article in the link. There is plenty of information contained in the article that will really wind you up !

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:16 PM EST
c f jackson

Thanx , larryling for your links and knowledge here. I hope you visit often.

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:37 PM EST
bloozbro

Billy Graham who did insert himself into politics and was a closet racist and a secret anti semite. Ah... the Hypocrisy of the Christian Right ! Read the below excerpt from an article appearing in The Insider magazine "The Christian Mafia" and where it wants to take us. It sorta proves that the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

larry ling - Too many people have forgotten (or do not know) what Billy Graham is really like. Thanks for posting this.

  • 5 votes
#2.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:45 PM EST
cowboygrandpa

A person with an understanding of what Jesus Christ taught can see what the right wing propagandists are doing.

They are doing the same thing that the Sanhedrin did to Him. Mocking Him as the Lord and Savior and doubting He is who He says He is.

That they would have the liar for the GOP come out and try to bust President Obamas beliefs as being that of an unbeliever does not surprise me. He said that Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb were Christians in his view, so what does that tell you of his understanding.

They don't believe Christ is who He says He is or they would be shaking in their skin at what they portray His way to be.

I rebuke them in His Name and want nothing to do with them or those who back them !!

  • 4 votes
#2.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:39 AM EST
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Texasguy01

When I listened to it I could see that Franklin Graham was speaking the truth and the rest of the panel was trying to spin it to Obama's advantage. Why do you think MSNBC would pull out Billy Grahams son at the last minute? It was to make Santorium look bad on his comment. Franklin just spoke the truth.

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:21 PM EST
larry ling

Texasguy01 I've read many of your comments in the past here on the vine and I have serious doubts about your concept and understanding of "truth".

  • 12 votes
#3.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:50 PM EST
c f jackson

Really?

  • 7 votes
#3.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:37 PM EST
willard

texass guy

your doubts about the writers truth find your "truth" absent. Prove otherwise or shut up.

  • 9 votes
#3.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:32 PM EST
Topcat Roosevelt

Yes because when the liberal media conspiracy wants to attack a conservative republican, they always send them to a program that is headlined by a conservative republican former congressman...? what do you think they are anyway, Faux news?

  • 4 votes
#3.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:25 PM EST
TheyreAllCrooks

Franklin Graham is a religious bigot. He's "certain" Santorum & Gingrich are Christians, but he's not certain Obama is, and then he mumbled some nonsense about not knowing if Romney is Christian.

Nobody knows for "certain" if Santorum or Gingrich are Christians except Christ - Franklin should know that more than anyone, but he can't be relevant unless he spews bigotry.

  • 9 votes
#3.5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:03 PM EST
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Becks72

No one needs to make tricky Rickie look bad. He is more than capable of making an ass of himself. Actually he does it on a regular basis. There is no need to put a spin on this religious quack. One would hope he wins the nomination the only one easier to defeat would be Palin they are birds of a feather both quacks.

  • 10 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:36 PM EST
onefan51

... the President is a Christian hating Muslim

Yep. Franklin Graham is definitely preaching a sermon filled with propaganda and unvarnished lies. And all of the right-wing extremists, radicals, bigots, and racists remain secure in their delusional beliefs, loudly shouting cheers of counterfeit joy. Graham's lies about President Obama has filled them with the right-wing partisan spirit they worship most ... hate and anger.

  • 7 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:45 PM EST
c f jackson

Does it make sense to any one that men and women of God spew such hatred and venom? Then again, if they were not spewing such outrageous innuendo, would we even know their names?

Follow the money...and Demand Truth. Call a liar a liar at the moment he/she lies. Time will talk!

  • 9 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:54 PM EST
onefan51

Does it make sense to any one that men and women of God spew such hatred and venom?

No it doesn't. They are either mindless, irreligious, political and ideological right-wing automatons; or perhaps they are simply serving the wrong god.

  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:29 AM EST
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CAF

At some point maybe it will become clear as to how those that trash another as a spewer hate and venom are in themselves any different.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:36 PM EST
c f jackson

I would think the difference would be whether or not that person claims he/she is sanctioned by GOD!

  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:15 AM EST
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Bluebird Sister

I don't like liars! Lying pisses me off. I don't care who is doing the lying, I like the idea of nipping it in the bud, so to speak. I only wish all of the host and commentators on these news shows would call these liars out and not just move on to other topics. Until we get to bottom of all this BS, we will never get anything solved. The best way I see to do it is to vote against all the liars and obstructionists and vote in people who will do what the American People want and need, not what the crazy christians demand.

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:52 AM EST
DSKI-1290107

Can anyone tell me what is more powerful than racism? if racism is found in the church, i don't think there is nothing more powerful. some might say love is more powerful, but there are parents who will disown their child if they dated out of their race. others say money is more powerful, but even Oprah and all her riches don't stop her from going through it. with religion, love and money racism is not immune so what exactly is stronger than this man made disease?

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:29 PM EST
Capt America USMC

Graham is only echoing a sentiment many people have about Obama's legitimacy. Obama's secrecy about his past leaves a lot of room for skepticism. Couple that with his destructive economic policies; or course many people will question whether he deliberately sabotaging our economy. He cannot be stupid, when it comes to what he is doing, can he?

Vetoing Keystone while prices are rising? Asking for higher capital gains taxes when history (most recently in Gr Brittan) shows that to increase percentages lower revenue (income). I know he said he didn't care, the rich should pay more, but right now the country needs the revenue.

My point is that Franklin has the stage, saying what a lot of people in this country are saying, and questioning Obama's loyalties.

    Reply#10 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:44 PM EST
    c f jackson

    Capt America USMC, from your name I am assuming you are a Marine and as such, it will be impossible for me answer your comment without a bucket load of respect for your service to the USA.

    I feel the same respect for the office itself and the POTUS specifically. I would hope to see a man of God use that stage to promote unity and strength. Mr. Graham did neither! I believe he disgraced his family name with his behavior. If he cannot call President Obama a Christian though he has professed himself to be. Then , why is the republicans word on that acceptable to him. Can you say hypocrite?

    I find it equally hard to believe that the "doubters" about the man himself number as many as you believe.

    Most folks, here on the Vine and in my everyday life say they believe Barack Obama to be an honest man above all else. Differing political views do not enter into their decision about him and his family.

    We The People can think! And, we are Demanding Truth, now and tomorrow. Thank you for reading and commenting. Please return as often as you wish.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#11 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:26 PM EST
    Capt America USMC

    Thanks cfj: Thanks, and yes I flew both fixed and helos in the Corps, and thanks for your respect for all who have served!

    I mean no disrespect for the office, but I was fooled into voting for Obama once, and honestly believe that was a mistake. I will always honor and appreciate McCain's service and sacrifice, but voted for the young guy that said he was going to stop the deficits, return this country to prosperity, keep unemployment under 8%, give us a catastrophic healthcare system to stop people from going bankrupt from medical emergencies.

    His tenure has been a disaster for this economy, and now with gas prices, well, he just needs to find another job he can be more successful at. I still love to hear him talk because he says so many good things. But I know that he can not, or will not do what he says. I believe he is a decent, honest man, but so was Jimmy Carter.

    Thanks again, have a great week, and God bless!

    • 1 vote
    Reply#12 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:10 PM EST
    c f jackson

    Capt America USMC, can I ask you a question? Do you believe our President or anyone, who says they are Christian?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#13 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:21 AM EST
    Capt America USMC

    cfj: If anyone says they are, I will believe them. I have had some question my Christianity because I believe in a woman's right to choose. I have a sister in law that questioned "How could you be a christian with such conservative views." So yes, I will not question someone's Christianity because of their political views.

    That's part of my frustration, I saw Franklin Graham say the believes Obama is a Christian, "He told me he was, and I believe him." And yet there are some who say he questions Obama's Christianity because he would not say "categorically" that Obama was. Graham could not say "categorically" that Santorum is, but the lamestream media twisted that to say Graham refused to believe Obama is. What do you think?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#14 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:13 AM EST
    c f jackson

    I think that if I am supposed to" judge not" , then because I do not want to be judged, I refrain from predictions about another's innermost thoughts and/or beliefs. I am purely "not qualified to assess that. It just doesn't seem Christian to me!

    How lame is the stream here, Capt.? Franklin Graham smiled and readily said that others surely are Christians in his eyes but reserved the question's "as direct" an answer when asked about our POTUS!

    For most of my long voting life, I am and have been a registered Independent. I have a firm conviction, however, that to disrespect the office or the person holding it is a slap in the face to our real heroes, our Servicemen and women. I feel such disrespect is anti-US. (US as in we)

    All the men and one woman in my huge family have served. The Jacksons have been represented in every branch. I know that, not only did they never do it, they frowned on others "going there". National honor is important!

    I will say that in my years, I have never seen such disrespect to the office. I will tell you, I am organizing for POTUS this time as I did in 08'. My reason for that is the integrity of the man himself.

    I would love to converse with you re: your original post here. I do not want trolling here so I refrain. I offer you my email addy if you would like a private conversation on the matter. writeress@msn.com.

    You impress me as a reasonable person or I would not offer. Demanding Truth is essential to anything I write and has been for years. It is in that interest that I make this offer.

    Take Care and best to you and yours!

    • 2 votes
    #14.1 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:19 AM EST
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